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Vagabonds by Stuart Townend
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I was blown away by this song at Mission Worship in Eastbourne but encountered some problems when putting it in a worship set last Sunday, despite sending the Youtube link to my minister in November! The ministry team were worried about several words in the song and wanted us to stop doing it.

The first word was 'abusers':

Come self-sufficient
With wearied ambition,
And come those who feel
At the end of the road.
Fiery debaters
And religion haters,
Accusers, abusers,
The hurt and ignored.

Their point, which I have to admit hadn't occurred to me, was that whilst people in the church who had been abused as children might understand, on an intellectual level, that their abusers were welcome in church, it might be the final straw for them. Clearly, the church in the world has a history of harbouring abusers to the detriment of the vulnerable.

The second was 'orientation':

Come those who worry
'Bout houses and money,
And all those who don't have
A care in the world;
From every station
And orientation,
The helpless, the hopeless,
The young and the old.

The argument runs that there are people in the church who question whether a homosexual orientation even exists (although sex isn't specifically mentioned in the song) claiming that everything is environmental. Those who are gay might think that the church's acceptance extends beyond the reality.

Both of these concerns, although I understand them and don't want to cause my 'brother to stumble', trouble me greatly. In an age when many people feel that they don't belong in church it seems to me that Townend's retelling of the parable of the wedding feast is both appropriate and timely. Jesus spent much of his time among the very people with whom most of us, despite our in-depth knowledge of the bible, would probably not mix. In any case, the meaning of 'abusers' isn't clear - the song could be seen to be extending welcome hope to alcoholics or those addicted to drugs.

What does anyone else think?

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very interesting one ian,

i think there's often a fine line between pushing hte boundaries and taking people with you.

my other thought would be im not sure if these songs are meant to be congregational or not?

im going to see stuart townend in feb so will look out for this song!

cheers,
Gav.

Hi Gavin,

Like all Townend songs it is certainly very singable and our congregation picked it up very quickly.

The youtube link is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_k771zhwfs

and his explanation of the song is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zryGXQb_yXI

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i would have never thought Stuart Townend would write a song like this.

is he branching out or something, its very different lyricly isnt it.

i wonder what is the purpose for this song.

Hi Ian,
Do you remember me from the camps on Kingscross? Long time no see!

I think this song is fantastic,
and I agree that the responses from some of your team are troubling.

The gospel is for everyone (even me - the chief of sinners),
and we can't exclude "abusers" or people of "every orientation" because we think it'll offend someone.
What about Jesus, who ate with tax collectors and sinners?

The heart of Romans 14, which is where not causing your brother to stumble comes from,
is all about us making sure our new freedom in Christ doesn't lead other Christians to judge us,
and certainly doesn't advocate watering-down or limiting the gospel in order to be PC!

Hello Colin,
Good to hear from you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that the song is speaks powerfully of the inclusive nature of God's love. Our ministry team have agreed that we can do it now, as long as we change 'abusers' to 'refusers'. Changing the words of other people's songs is clearly questionable morally.
Ian

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I like this song and would use it in church (subject to the blessing of the leadership.)

But demonstrating a gospel of grace to "abusers" and "people of every orientation" does not require the singing of this song. I can understand why singing about the welcome of abusers could create real pastoral difficulties for people in the church who have been abused. (And clearly this will not apply to every church.) But I don't think it's particularly pastorally sensitive to tell them they should simply buck up their ideas about the inclusivity of the gospel and sing the song.

Ian - you could change the lyric as long as you also then included the line "Come all you changers of controversial lyrics" ;o)

Hi Paul,
Lol! I certainly don't want to tell abused people to 'buck up their ideas'. As I've said, the people that I know who had been abused liked the song - the fact that I know who they are would suggest some sensitivity on my part! (No offence taken incidentally.....) The focus of the song is the lyric 'the King of all kindness' which is a lovely message to everyone. The ministerial team were clear that they were anticipating a problem rather than responding to an actual issue - I am simply saying that people can exceed our expectations of them as the evidence here clearly suggests. It is possible to be oversensitive on people's behalf. The lyric is part of a long list and is sung at speed. I'm not saying I have all the answers - simply that I was troubled by the issue and wanted to see what others thought.
Gavin - it might be worth saying that the song has worked beautifully with the congregation who have picked it up easily. In fact, after we sung it this morning they started clapping which is amazing in our rather staid service!
Ian

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thanks ian,

thats great about ur congregation! having heard the song im not sure musically it would work that well at our place, its v fast and not as straight forward as many of his other ones. also lyrically im not sure all our people would get it. but i love the sentiment behind the song and the inclusivity of it.

God bless,
gav.

i visited stuart townend youtube website, he explained why he wrote this song.

he also had some interesting things to say about, the worship music. check out his video blogs on youtube.